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Marvin Minsky on Awareness, Consciousness, "the sense of self" and Machine Intelligence

When I was in Boston a month or so ago, I got a chance to visit with Marvin Minsky. Professor Minsky was the co-founder of the Artificial Intelligence Lab at MIT and one of the pioneers in the field of computer science and robotics.

Since the early 1950s, Marvin Minsky has worked on using computational ideas to characterize human psychological processes, as well as working to endow machines with intelligence. In the early 1970s, Minsky and Seymour Papert began formulating a theory called The Society of Mind which combined insights from developmental child psychology and their experience with research on Artificial Intelligence. The Society of Mind proposes that intelligence is not the product of any singular mechanism, but comes from the managed interaction of a diverse variety of resourceful agents.

So I thought it might be fun to ask him some questions about what is the “sense of self”, awareness and consciousness.


From his biography:

In 1985, Marvin  published a book, "The Society of Mind," in which 270 interconnected one-page ideas reflect the structure of the theory itself. Each page either proposes one such mechanism to account for some psychological phenomena or addresses a problem introduced by some proposed solution of another page. In 2006, he published a sequel, "The Emotion Machine," which proposes theories that could account for human higher-level feelings, goals, emotions, and conscious thoughts in terms of multiple levels of processes, some of which can reflect on the others. By providing us with multiple different "ways to think," these processes could account for much of our uniquely human resourcefulness.

In other words, the sense of self is not necessarily the consequence of there actually being a discreet thing.

As I mentioned in an earlier post Marvin’s theories on the mind had a big influence on my interest in Buddhist philosophy, Anyway, this conversation took place in his living room in Brookline Massachusetts. Marvin is also an accomplished musician. I snuck 30 second or so of him playing the keyboard at the end. It is his wife’s voice you hear in the background.

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0 # Jacqueline F 2012-01-12 15:54
Hi! Luv what you have to say on meditation. I was searching for blogs on meditation and came upon yours. Hope it's ok if I link to yours from my blog. I wanna browse through more of your posts. Glad to see it's updated. Saw lotsa blogs but not too many folks keep theirs updated. Thanks!!
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0 # erric 2012-01-12 22:12
Hi Jacqueline,

It's cool you want to link to us! Glad you are enjoying what we have here. We plan to keep the posts coming...
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0 # Mike Travers 2012-01-16 23:00
Hi Erric!

Nice to hear Marvin again -- although I think if I was there I'd have the same argument that I was having with him 15 years ago -- which is that the anti-representa tional side of AI that he is angry at was not really about dispensing with mental representations , the point was to get better theories of what representation is and how it works.

And speaking of that, you may know David Chapman was one of the leaders of that movement and also a pretty serious Buddhist, now blogging up a storm in various places: meaningness.wordpress.com/
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0 # erric 2012-01-17 02:07
Hey Mike,

Long time... It did cross my mind, but I sorta felt it was off topic for the purpose of the blog. Anyway, from what I remember he doesn't think that those are actually better theories. But I am sure that was the bulk of the arguments you had with him

Thanks for the tip about Mike Chapman. I have read a bit of his stuff on line. Very thought provoking.
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0 # daz hastings 2012-03-01 11:25
emaho!
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